The first is a fifth century reference by Jerome in his Prologue to Judith where he notes the Old Testament book of Judith was “found by the Nicene Council to have been counted among the number of the Sacred Scriptures”, which they try to argue means the Council did have some kind of discussion on the make up of the canon. His teachings made the Bible clear and easy to understand, and impacted millions of lives. The story of early Christianity is a story of struggle, persecution and martyrdom, often at the hands of the ruling government. No. However, most Americans (especially atheist Americans), are utterly historically illiterate, and they base conclusions on their historical illiteracy. One of the most enduring myths today about the Council of Nicaea is that the council members voted on which books to include in the Bible. The story goes that Constantine had a vision of the words in hoc signo vinces ("in this sign you will conquer") upon a cross, and he swore that, should he triumph against great odds, he would pledge himself to Christianity. Constantine was a Roman Emperor who lived from 274 to 337 A.D. There was no single, central “Church” which dictated these things at this early stage – each community operated in either relative isolation or intermittent communication with other communities and there were no standardised texts or a set list of which texts were authoritative and which were not at this very early stage of the Christian faith. One such campaign was sanctioned by Emperor Trajan after he received a letter from Pliny (A.D. 111-113). It's not just Baptists – the idea that the "true" Christianity was hijacked by the wicked Constantine for political ends and turned into the Catholic Church and that the Reformation just reversed this situation has been a mainstay of Protestant historiography for centuries. Referring to “championing Christianity would not have helped achieve it.” If I read your “THE GREAT MYTHS 4: CONSTANTINE, NICAEA AND THE BIBLE” correctly, Constantine didn’t do the nefarious deed. This row actually had echoes down church history, because the filioque clause in the Creed which triggered the schism between Roman Catholic and orthodox churches in 1054, originally came from an attempt in 6th Century Spain to defend the Trinitarian position against Arianism, which had remained popular in Northern Europe. It rejected the truth of Gnosticism and featured the 4 Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, Paul’s thirteen epistles, John’s three epistles, and Jude, the Apocalypses of John and Peter. The "hijacking" idea makes sense only to people who believe there is no truth. One of the most enduring myths today about the Council of Nicaea is that the council members voted on which books to include in the Bible. Constantine's decision to cease the persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire was a turning point for early Christianity, sometimes referred to as the Triumph of the Church, the Peace of the Church or the Constantinian shift.In 313, Constantine and Licinius issued the Edict of Milan decriminalizing Christian worship. The King James Bible is written in English -- a language that only began to appear in A.D. 449 and was totally unlike the 1600's style of speaking the language. He ordered for the new copy that highlighted gospels that made Him god-like and deleted those that talked of the human traits of Jesus Christ. So the central historical claim in the meme is total and complete garbage, but if that’s so, where did the myth come from? But it seems fact checking is not high on the priority list of the so-called rationalists over at “Philosophical Atheism”. The fact that some fundamentalist professor has to write a 400 page book makes inerrancy indefensible in itself. Constantine’s act of “calling himself a Christian and pouring in that flood of wealth and power on the church,” John Wesley charged in 1787, “was productive of more evil to the church than all the ten persecutions put together.” Judging by Constantine’s Bible, David L. Dungan might be sympathetic to that claim. Constantine I - Constantine I - Commitment to Christianity: Shortly after the defeat of Maxentius, Constantine met Licinius at Mediolanum (modern Milan) to confirm a number of political and dynastic arrangements. People often wonder if the gospels were changed or corrupted, or even selected (in some back-room conspiracy) for inclusion in the Bible at this time. Agnostic atheist scholar Bart Ehrman was typically emphatic on the subject: “The historical reality is that the emperor Constantine had nothing to do with the formation of the canon of scripture: he did not choose which books to include or exclude and he did not order the destruction of the gospels that were left out of the canon. The statement of the Council on this matter formed the Nicene Creed which became the basis of future Christological formulations (and the subject of later disputes on the matter). While the Catholics affirmed the NT canon in the 1546 as you mention, Wikipedia says "For the Orthodox, the recognition of these writings as authoritative was formalized in the Second Council of Trullan of 692" That seems a little strange to me as they didn't formally split until much later. It is believed by many that it was he who eliminated a large number of other texts penned by the Gnostics and established the New Testament Canon to be considered as Christian Scripture along with the Old Testament. Born in Naissus, Dacia Mediterranea (now Niš, Serbia), he was the son of Flavius Constantius, an Illyrian army officer who became one of the four emperors of the Tetrarchy. In 313, Constantine and Licinius issued … Constantine claimed to have had a vision on the way to Rome, during the night before battle. I’m sorry, but I just don’t see how you can know for sure that the memoirs he mentions are actually referring to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John because, as you said in your article, there were so many different works floating around at the time that called themselves Gospels. The formation of the New Testament canon was a long and drawn out process that began centuries before Constantine and did not conclude until long after he was dead.” (Ehrman, Truth and Fiction in The Da Vinci Code: A Historian Reveals What We Really Know about Jesus, Mary Magdalene, and Constantine). Why do you think most people in the world are, or have ever been, any different from you? Finally Britain became a republic under leadership of Oliver Cromwell for 11 A few of those who are devoted to the whole “Constantine created the Bible” myth have been forced to admit that there is no direct evidence linking the Council of Nicaea to the formation of the canon, so they cling to two pieces of evidence to try to salvage the idea. Constantine and the Week The Witty Invention that Changed Times and Laws. Constantine did change bible by not letting some books in an other books out. FringePop321 Chances are good that you know there were other gospels—accounts of the life and teachings of Jesus—that never made it into the Bible. After a falling out with his father, the local bishop, he travelled to Rome in around 139 AD. Vermes says (p 229) “The westerners were not greatly interested in this Oriental row [about Arianism], which they probably did not fully understand.”. In a most providential twist of events, Roman Emperor Constantine a few years later, enlisted the help of Eusebius, to create 50 copies in codex form, of the entire Bible. Alexandria was a important melting pot in that. Although know one knows for sure what was in this Bible and no definite copies have been located, it proves a definite canon existed in the time period of 275 - 315 AD. People who are already atheists latch on to silly ideas to justify to themselves. These local definitions mean that there was actually no definitive statement by the Catholic Church as to the make-up of the New Testament until the Council of Trent in 1546: a full 1209 years after Constantine died. The whole idea of a “canon” of accepted and authoritative works pre-dates Christianity and began with the development of schools of Greek philosophy. Constantine was a Roman Emperor who lived from 274 to 337 A.D. The obvious question to ask, therefore, is why the hell “Philosophical Atheism” posted this laughable junk? Yet you claim that Constantine had the King James Version written in A.D. 325. Luke, for example, is written to Theophilus, Bishop of Antioch, who lived in the late 2nd century. Peter never believed in Paul as part of them but Paul’s books are in. Find her on Instagram. In the Oration of Eusebius, XVIII, Eusebius relates how Constantine made the Church of the Holy Sepulchre to be deemed the place of Jesus' burial.Apparently, Eusebius is using faint praise or sly coded words (likely the latter) to reveal to the re ader not to trust Constantine because he claimed inspiration. “We have at this day certain most authentic ecclesiastical writers of the times, as Clemens Romanus, Barnabas, Hermas, Ignatius, and Polycarp, who wrote in the order wherein I have named them, and after all the writers of the New Testament. So it appears to have found its way via its publication by the Lutheran theologian Johannes Pappus (1549-1610) to Philippe Labbé’s appendix and thus to Voltaire. To this very day, all of his followers have used that same door: Holy Baptism is the basis of the whole Christian life, the gateway to life in the Spirit (vitae spiritualis ianua), and the door which gives access to the other sacraments. At Nicea Constantine had 300 versions of the Bible burnt, thus > legitimising and patronizing only the Paulic heresy. The bible is simply a collection of stories, man trying to make sense if the world. Sorry, but the "hijacking" idea is seriously bad history, largely because it confuses ultimate outcomes with intent. Some historians also believe that while he reproduced the New Testament, he considered eighty different gospels and eventually chose only four gospels for inclusion in the final version. I have little reason to believe the Bible was immune to that if done by a majority long ago. Whether he also knew gJohn is much debated and this remains uncertain. Constantine seems to have genuinely seen his against-the-odds victory at the Battle of the Milvian Bridge as a sign of divine favour by the Christian God and so felt obligated to respond with devotion. And they may also have used a variety of other writings, many of which did not find their way into the Bible. Indeed, without being aware of the scholarly consensus, it’s obvious the guy(s) did a fine job picking the stuff that comes closest to early christianity. I genuinely don’t get how “Constantine decided the canon” can be anti-christian. This is crackpot stuff. Niceae or not, the adoption of Christianity by the Romans over time probably had a huge impact on how it developed. — Positief Atheïsme (@positiefatheism) March 9, 2018 These claims are essential to the plot in The Da Vinci Code because the novel claims that the so-called "Gnostic gospels" were the original Christian documents and Constantine replaced them with the New Testament.. (It is reported in the Supplement of the Council of Nicaea that the Fathers, when they had no idea how to determine which were the questionable or apocryphal books of the Old and New Testament, piled all of them disorderly on an altar; and the books to be rejected fell to the ground. We do – see above. It took and melted a lot of elements of other faiths and philosophies. And those alleged nefarious purposes include everything from suddenly imposing a divine Jesus on Christianity (according to Dan Brown and his kooky source Holy Blood Holy Grail) to covering up Jesus’ New Age beliefs in reincarnation and Indian mysticism (according to that great scholar, Shirley MacLaine). “how you can know for sure that the memoirs he mentions are actually referring to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John because, as you said in your article, there were so many different works floating around at the time that called themselves Gospels”. The Muratorian Canon document accepts twenty-three of the twenty-seven works which now make up the New Testament in the Bible. If it was just one factor by itself, it could be dismissed. I wonder if part of the problem with Christianity allying with political power arose in the 7th and 8th centuries where a fear of Islam, which had conquered much of Eastern Rome, drove the Church into throwing its weight behind Charlemagne, crowning him Emperor of what would be later called the Holy Roman Empire. Thus, Emperor Constantine has always been associated with the Bible and enough documentary proof is available to both corroborate and contradict the fact. It only betrays a very modern obsession with TRVTH, totally atypical for Antiquity. It’s presented by a Black Revisionist kook, along with other pseudo historical conspiracist nonsense and some appalling grammar and syntax. The question whether Constantine actually saw something, deluded himself, lied or (my bet, because I’m lazy) some combination is irrelevant. In 325 AD, Emperor Constantine invited every bishop in the church to gather in Nicaea and formally establish Christian doctrine. Simple – because it’s anti-Christian. The Myth of the Biblical Canon at Nicaea Some online detective work by Roger Pearse and others has untangled the story of this anecdote, and it appears Voltaire was working from an appendix to the Jesuit scholar Philippe Labbé’s Sanctissima concilia (1671), which is the “supplement” mentioned in the quote above. While historians are yet to have a solid evidence of Constantine's decision of choosing… Those who doubt he saw some kind of vision and must have been lying also don't seem to realise that people in the ancient world were constantly on the lookout for signs and omens and so "saw" all kinds of things that they invested with divine significance. Interestingly, after two centuries of sceptical analysis, the overwhelming majority of historians, scholars and textual experts (Christian or otherwise) actually agree with Irenaeus and the consensus is that these four gospels definitely are the earliest of the accounts of Jesus’ life. “They originally circulated simply as accounts of Jesus’ life and were only given their current attributions later in the second century.”. Dang, an actual atheist website that writes something pertaining to history that isn’t laughable outright. Even if the “Philosophical Atheism” person was living in a cave in the early 2000s and so missed the memo that this stuff is garbage, even the most cursory fact checking would have at least raised doubts in someone who was a genuine rationalist. As for the “memoirs of the apostles” he mentions, well, we don’t really know what he meant by that because, as you say, there were many different Christian writings floating around at the time that were all claiming to be authentic. And it also seems that recent works, whether they were “heretical” (like the Gnostic gospels) or not (like The Shepherd of Hermas), did not have the status of works from the earliest years of Christianity. In 306 AD, Constantine (274 – 337 AD) became ruler of the Roman Empire. In the third chapter he claims that reincarnation was in the Bible but was later removed. After all, the meme’s bizarre grammar and reference to “Black Ankhwakening” – a crackpot Afrocentrist/Black Revisionist group – should have been a signal that this needed to be checked carefully. In A.D. 325 the Roman emperor Constantine the Great, along with his mother, Helena, had deleted references to reincarnation contained in the New Testament. I tend to agree with the Constantine hijacking idea, not necessarily as his deliberate intention, but simply because christianity, like any ideology, is safer when not allied with political power. “Simple – because it’s anti-Christian.” And the Synodikon account of Nicaea concludes: “The canonical and apocryphal books it distinguished in the following manner: in the house of God the books were placed down by the holy altar; then the Council asked the Lord in prayer that the inspired works be found on top and – as in fact happened – the spurious on the bottom.”. However, as legend has it, he did request bishop Eusebius of Caesarea to create fifty copies of the New Testament for the newly established capital, Constantinople. To me it looks like sound policy. Edward Gibbon . Tim O’Neill’s forthright blog does a valuable job in keeping us all honest, and reminding us that historical evidence rarely behaves as one might want it to.” – Professor Tim Whitmarsh, A. G. Leventis Professor of Greek Culture at the University of Cambridge, “A brilliantly erudite blog that stands sentinel against the wish-fulfilment and tendentiousness to which atheists, on occasion, can be no less prey than believers” – Tom Holland, best-selling history writer, “Tim O’Neill’s blog is a fantastic place to turn for critical investigation of commonly-held assumptions about religion in the ancient world.” – Professor James F. McGrath, Butler University, “Tim O’Neill is a known liar …. They may also have had copies of a few of them, but have only heard of others (since copies of any books were expensive and precious). Erin is a Bible study editor and COO of The Popcast Media Group from Birmingham. He gives other texts which he says are “still disputed”; including James, Jude, 2 Peter and 2 and 3 John. Or do you decide on what to profess based on what you think is true? Kōnstantînos; 27 February c. 272 – 22 May 337), also known as Constantine the Great, was a Roman emperor from 306 to 337. Although know one knows for sure what was in this Bible and no definite copies have been located, it proves a definite canon existed in the time period of 275 - 315 AD. (Constantine actually resisted baptism until he was on his deathbed.) Constantine. In a most providential twist of events, Roman Emperor Constantine a few years later, enlisted the help of Eusebius, to create 50 copies in codex form, of the entire Bible. Second, they sicced the Emperor on heretics, dishing out exactly what they suffered years earlier. I don't disagree about the inherent dangers of power combined with religion, but even today we find negotiating a suitable and workable separation of church and state difficult. gMark is generally dated to not long after 70 AD, gMatt and gLuke to the 80s AD and gJohn from 90-120 AD. There he began to develop his own Christian theology; one which was quite different to that of his father and of the Christian community in Rome. Despite this, the idea that the “Bible was created by a vote at the Council of Nicaea” is a pseudo historical myth that has been kicking around for centuries and forms part of several key pieces of pseudo scholarship and pop culture, which reveals the apparently “shocking” but actually rather obvious idea that the Bible was put together by a consensus of human beings. (Eusebius, The Life of Constantine, chapter 62). I am fine choosing to not care what the Councils said without needing to believe crazy Conspiracy Theories about them. He is well known in the history of Rome for ensuring that Christianity became the official religion of the whole Roman Empire. It seems the “Philosophical Atheism” group on Facebook is going to be the New Atheist bad history gift that just keeps on giving. — Positief Atheïsme (@positiefatheism) March 9, 2018 Book-burning is basically admitting that they are afraid of the text, and don’t trust HS to keep the Bible clean. But when we do we find that they are the same. It’s similar to the old saw, that if a division is made between scholars and warriors you will have your thinking done by cowards, and your fighting done by fools. You just don’t know the material well enough to avoid basic errors like this one. Ok, but what about what Christian scholar Dr. Dowdwell says? Constantine’s decision to cease the persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire was a turning point for early Christianity, sometimes referred to as the Triumph of the Church, the Peace of the Church, or the Constantinian Shift. The idea that the Bible was selected by a wicked politician for various nefarious purposes is just too appealing to many people. In the year 553 A.D., 165 Church officials condemned reincarnation. As I have to note regularly, knowing things “for sure” is a luxury we rarely have when it comes to textual analysis and ancient history. Interesting article and discussion. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. 11 also produces mud. Neither the Catholic Church, nor Constantine changed the Bible. Constantine called a meeting of Christian bishops, the Council of Nicea, to settle the dispute. During Constantine’s reign, controversy arose over the teachings of Arius, who denied the full divinity of Jesus. He is the author of all the teachings here, and all materials are available free of charge! What the Council did NOT vote on or even discuss was the Biblical canon – i.e. First, if a work is false, it should be clearly false enough that the early church wouldn’t burn it. These claims are essential to the plot in The Da Vinci Code because the novel claims that the so-called "Gnostic gospels" were the original Christian documents and Constantine replaced them with the New Testament.. They took it into their own hands. His teachings made the Bible clear and easy to understand, and impacted millions of lives. But no, the form that won out in the end was not the product of “more literal interpreters” and that form of Christianity had become predominant long before they “got in bed with the Roman state”, which is why it was the form adopted by Constantine when he converted. Study Notes on Constantine 1. That's all well and good, but when do you expect to wrap it all into a book? With his instructions fulfilled, Constantine then decreed that the New Testimonies would thereafter be called the "word of the Roman Savior God" (Life of Constantine, vol. Constantine’s act of “calling himself a Christian and pouring in that flood of wealth and power on the church,” John Wesley charged in 1787, “was productive of more evil to the church than all the ten persecutions put together.” Judging by Constantine’s Bible, David L. Dungan might be sympathetic to that claim. A vast majority of atheists, if they believed what is written here, if they did not believe that Constantine created the Bible, that Jesus wasn’t a “myth”, and that no person believed that Jesus rose from the dead, until they aggrandized his story several decades and centuries later, there would be almost no atheists in America. A vast majority of atheists, if they believed what is written here, if they did not believe that Constantine created the Bible, that Jesus wasn’t a “myth”, and that no person believed that Jesus rose from the dead, until they aggrandized his story several decades and centuries later, there would be almost no atheists in America. Marcion was born around 100 AD in the city of Sinope on the southern coast of the Black Sea. When I rejected Christianity, I’d never even heard of Mythicism, let alone the absurd theory that Constantine invented the whole story and retconned it into history. They worship the Bible, and not the God who commissioned it. The message of the texts from 200 AD is the same as those from 1200 AD. You’ve got that backwards. Eusebius Records Constantine Claimed Inspiration. The New Atheist ideologues at “Philosophical Atheism” don’t care about facts, reason, logic or scepticism. Question: "Did Constantine decide what books belonged in the Bible?" Combine this with Justin never directly quoting the Gospels and Luke being addressed to Theophilus, Bishop of Antioch, it becomes a little too suspicious to be a coincidence. I still believed Jesus was a historical figure, that the NT was composed by the early Church in the late 1st/early 2nd centuries, and that belief in the Resurrection arose within a few years of the events. To this very day, all of his followers have used that same door: Holy Baptism is the basis of the whole Christian life, the gateway to life in the Spirit (vitae spiritualis ianua), and the door which gives access to the other sacraments. Tim O’Neill’s forthright blog does a valuable job in keeping us all honest, and reminding us that historical evidence rarely behaves as one might want it to.” –, A. G. Leventis Professor of Greek Culture at the University of Cambridge, “A brilliantly erudite blog that stands sentinel against the wish-fulfilment and tendentiousness to which atheists, on occasion, can be no less prey than believers”, – Tom Holland, best-selling history writer, “Tim O’Neill’s blog is a fantastic place to turn for critical investigation of commonly-held assumptions about religion in the ancient world.”, – Professor James F. McGrath, Butler University, “Tim O’Neill is a known liar …. I’m reminded of an old Dutch proverb: fire engine nr. Constantine's decision to cease the persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire was a turning point for early Christianity, sometimes referred to as the Triumph of the Church, the Peace of the Church or the Constantinian shift.In 313, Constantine and Licinius issued the Edict of Milan decriminalizing Christian worship. The Bible is sufficient, I’m sure, but by no means complete or inerrant. Reincarnation: The Church's Biggest Lie. He was the son of Constantius Chlorus by his first, informal marriage, called concubinatus, with Helena, a woman of inferior birth. The "hijack" idea is pseudo historical garbage. “This began to be alarming. To be clear, I don’t believe Constantine created the Bible, nor that Jesus is a mythical person, nor that it took decades after his death for people to believe in the resurrection. I would suggest the following emendation to your translation of Voltaire. Is it historical, or a Christian legend? ), “It is reported in the Supplement of the Council of Nicaea that the Fathers, when they had no idea how to determine which were the questionable or apocryphal books of the Old and New Testament, piled all of them disorderly on an altar; and the books to be rejected fell to the ground. The questions whether the guy(s) did a good job and which standard we use seem far more relevant to atheist me. Really? iii, p. 29) and official to all presbyters sermonizing in the Roman Empire. The Jews did this to the books of Enoch, despite the NT clearly referencing it, and the Septuagint, which we used for 1500 years until Luther decided to toss it, and several NT books because they contained doctrines he didn’t like. FringePop321 Chances are good that you know there were other gospels—accounts of the life and teachings of Jesus—that never made it into the Bible. Far from accepting his teachings, the council excommunicated him and he left Rome in disgust, returning to Asia Minor. He is the author of all the teachings here, and all materials are available free of charge! Compre Christmas, Constantine, and the Bible (English Edition) de Day, Roger na Amazon.com.br. This meeting, known as the First Council of Nicaea, was specifically called to make a decision about Arianism—the belief that God created Jesus, and that Jesus was not eternal or one with God. For example, a passage in Matthew has Jesus saying, “Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church.” This might allude to Matthew being a Roman Catholic Gospel, written after the beginning of the establishment of this hierarchy to uphold the supremacy of the Petrine Church of Rome. a pseudo-atheist shill for Christian triumphalism [and] delusionally insane.” – Dr. Richard Carrier PhD, unemployed blogger. (It has no consequences for your argument. “Combine this with Justin never directly quoting the Gospels and Luke being addressed to Theophilus, Bishop of Antioch, it becomes a little too suspicious to be a coincidence.”. a hack …. His decision was not unusual in a day when many Christians believed one could not be forgiven after baptism. Constantine and the Week The Witty Invention that Changed Times and Laws. It is very important to clarify exactly what role the Emperor Constantine played in the Council of Nicea, what the purpose for the council was, what happened at Nicea, and briefly how the canon—the Bible as we know it—was formed. In 367 Athanasius wrote his 39th Festal Letter in which he laid out the current twenty-seven books of the New Testament – the first time this canon had been definitively stated by any churchman. So what if Constantine has cynical purposes? The Fifty Bibles of Constantine were Bibles in the original Greek language commissioned in 331 by Constantine I and prepared by Eusebius of Caesarea.They were made for the use of the Bishop of Constantinople in the growing number of churches in that very new city. Christmas on December 25 . Thanks for writing all that. Go look it up.” is particularly amusing. There is no reason to think it didn’t happen. The Great Myths 4: Constantine, Nicaea and the Bible, Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window). Wow, this is one of the dumbest memes I've ever seen. In Czech Republic: Literature …and diplomat, Cyril (originally named Constantine), and his brother Methodius (see Saints Cyril and Methodius).The brothers translated the greater part of the Bible and the essential liturgical texts into what must have been a Slavonic literary language of Cyril’s devising, based on the Macedonian-Slavonic vernacular of his native Salonika… which Christian books and texts could be considered divinely inspired and therefore “Scripture”, which were useful but not scriptural and which were actually “heretical”. The claim seems to be incorrect as majority of historical accounts suggest that the New Testament canon existed even before Constantine was born. 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